kaberett: a dalek stands at the foot of a flight of stairs, thinking "fuck." (dalek)
[personal profile] kaberett
who the hell am I supposed to contact given:
  • smokers are (illegally!) rendering my building so toxic that I can't actually enter/exit it without rendering myself unable to breathe
  • an initial e-mail 4 months ago to disability services & building manager has resulted in no useful follow-up, and nor have the two most recent chasing e-mails

... because this isn't actually sustainable. I can't do my job without entering the building; I can't enter the building without getting poisoned, and if I were actually on a contract I'd be seriously thinking about constructive dismissal, but that's not how PhD stipends work.

(No, really, at least two hundred metres of corridor and the entire central stairwell are currently not actually usable by me without causing damage. The only mostly-safe route to my areas of work has no working lifts. I literally cannot get to my desk +wheelchair without exposure, or to my lab at all unless I time breathing very carefully. As for getting to my desk without chair, it's about six flights of stairs, which isn't sustainable given my joints. It is shit.)

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Date: 2014-07-15 01:23 pm (UTC)
rmc28: Rachel in hockey gear on the frozen fen at Upware, near Cambridge (Default)
From: [personal profile] rmc28
I would suggest escalating to your supervisor (this would also apply outside of academia).

Send her a summary of the situation and attach your emailed attempts to get something done. You have done all you can to get your job done; she has an interest in you getting your job done; we live in a hierarchical society and she is higher up the hierarchy than you.

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Date: 2014-07-15 01:44 pm (UTC)
deathbyshinies: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deathbyshinies
It is SO TOTALLY LEGIT for you to ask her to handle this shit. It is also legit for you to feel really insecure about doing so, because that is the way in which the system is set up.

My experience of departmental culture (YMMV though, obviously) suggests that the supervisor will probably have your back on this regardless of their person affiliation on the smokers/non-smokers divide -- if nothing else, university policy should be pretty clear on this. If supervisor doesn't, my guess would be that there are problems there that are going to manifest at some point in the next three years in any case.

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Date: 2014-07-15 01:51 pm (UTC)
rmc28: Rachel in hockey gear on the frozen fen at Upware, near Cambridge (Default)
From: [personal profile] rmc28
Ok, so this is with my bebe-manager hat on:

It doesn't matter if she herself is a smoker. It might matter if she is one of the people who are causing the problem, because she might get defensive about it instead of doing her job.

However. It is part of her role to ensure that you can get your work done and that reasonable accommodations are made for you. "Ensuring people obey the law about smoking in enclosed public space" isn't even an accommodation, it's what the organisation should be doing anyway. Fixing the broken lifts is the barest minimum of reasonable accommodation.

Politeness doesn't really come into it - you have tried to sort out the problem yourself, you are meeting resistance, she is the appropriate person to escalate to in the first instance.

To me, HR and/or union are who you go to if your supervisor fails in their duties towards you. I personally wouldn't go to HR yet. I think it wouldn't hurt to contact the union safety rep and ask their advice, letting them know that you are escalating to your supervisor in the meantime. I also think it is fine if you don't feel up to that at this stage.

With my personal hat on:
The smokers I know who actually take account of other people's needs/preferences not to breathe in tobacco smoke are some of the best people at policing other smokers. A sort of "stop making us look bad" approach.

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Date: 2014-07-15 02:08 pm (UTC)
rmc28: Rachel in hockey gear on the frozen fen at Upware, near Cambridge (Default)
From: [personal profile] rmc28
It's not YOUR fault people are disobeying the law, and other people aren't enforcing it.

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Date: 2014-07-15 02:44 pm (UTC)
deathbyshinies: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deathbyshinies
> I think I'm also feeling a bit twitchy about the amount of pastoral work supervisor is having to do?

I know you know this, but... not your problem, not your problem, NOOOOT your PROOOOOBLEM. Sometimes I have one student at a time having a meltdown/crisis/pastoral issue, sometimes I have four or five of them at once. I *don't* get mad at the ones who happen to have their time-when-they-need-something-sorted coinciding with other people's: if I have too much to do in the way of pastoral duties, that's between me and my employers, *not* the students' faults.

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Date: 2014-07-15 03:42 pm (UTC)
highlyeccentric: Sign on Little Queen St - One Way both directions (Default)
From: [personal profile] highlyeccentric
This is not a *pastoral* problem, this is a... functioning problem? In most other workplaces, it would not be considered a pastoral problem. It's your supervisor's job to either make sure you have a functioning workspace (including ability to get TO the workspace) or make sure someone else is on the case.

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Date: 2014-07-16 01:47 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] swaldman
What the poster above me said :_)

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Date: 2014-07-15 03:11 pm (UTC)
alexseanchai: Katsuki Yuuri wearing a blue jacket and his glasses and holding a poodle, in front of the asexual pride flag with a rainbow heart inset. (Default)
From: [personal profile] alexseanchai
It is in fact legit to ask her to handle this shit. That's her job.

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Date: 2014-07-15 02:06 pm (UTC)
rmc28: Rachel in hockey gear on the frozen fen at Upware, near Cambridge (Default)
From: [personal profile] rmc28
suggested changes

first para: small sentence structure change

"within five metres of the door. When doors are open (as they often are in warm weather), smoke is present"


second para: strike third sentence entirely about your role and your coworkers. Then move first sentence of fourth para here

third para: put the first sentence last

Change fourth para to:
I need your help and advice to address the problem of smoke within the building as soon as possible.

This makes it flows nicely through:

1. this is the situation
2. this is why it is a problem, and what I am already doing about it
3. this is the impact of the problem
4. this is what I need

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Date: 2014-07-15 03:18 pm (UTC)
damerell: NetHack. (normal)
From: [personal profile] damerell
Missing words between while and residual... and if you're going to drag your supervisor into it (which I think is a Good Idea) I'd avoid mentioning their smoking.

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Date: 2014-07-15 01:55 pm (UTC)
jjhunter: Drawing of human JJ in ink tinted with blue watercolor; woman wearing glasses with arched eyebrows (JJ inked)
From: [personal profile] jjhunter
...part of me wonders if a request for 'plz give me access to appropriate respiratory protective equipment until such time as the environment of my path to enter / exit the building is no longer toxic to me (see health condition documentation, etc. etc.)' might get results. Especially if the price tag for the kinds of RPE needed was included (I suspect it would be considerable!)

Before you get to that point, though, there's a certain magic to taking your previously emailed complaint, tweaking it for printed letter form, adding a line to the start along the lines of 'this is a printed version of an complaint previously emailed to $disabilityservicesperson via $theiremail and $buildingmanger via $mangeremail; since then [brief detailing of lack of useful followup]. [Health consequences to you.] This situation constitutes an ongoing occupational health hazard to me because there is no other path I can enter / exit my workplace without exposure to toxicity.' etc. etc., and then add a line documenting that the people receiving a copy of this printed complaint compose not only $disabilityservicesperson and $buildingmanger, but also the boss(es) of those people, and your institutional ombudsman or any advocate-type person whose area of responsibility remotely has bearing on $peoplewithyourjobtype or occupational health & safety.

Most institutions past a certain size will have advocate-types for occupational health & safety precisely so that these type of thing can be addressed appropriately without the employee needing to bring down the hammer of an official complaint to $appropriategovernmentagency. That being said, you shouldn't shy away from making the latter type of complaint if that's what it takes — if it's a problem for you, a.) that's enough — you already have the law on your side, and your employers have a responsibility to minimize hazards to your health in your workplace as much as practicable with the type of work you do; also, b.) if it's a problem for you, it will also be a problem of some degree for other people. If a smoker wants to muck with their health by smoking, that's one thing; they don't get the right to make that choice for other people.

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Date: 2014-07-15 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] sidheag
Contra everyone saying it's your supervisor's job to deal with this, I don't think it is. Unless your setup is very different from ours, she isn't your manager in a job sense; rather, she is your academic advisor. If a student of mine were having such problems, I would not take ownership of the problem, but would advise him/her on who were the right people to talk to. For us, that would be health and safety rep, failing whom, Head of School. (The HoS would send an email to all building occupants reminding them of the rules, and that would work.)

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Date: 2014-07-15 03:45 pm (UTC)
highlyeccentric: Sign on Little Queen St - One Way both directions (Default)
From: [personal profile] highlyeccentric
I sort of see it as her job to make sure someone else does it, or to let Alex know who ought to be fixing it. She's in a position of authority in the lab in question, so she needs to know if her lab minions are having problems.

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Date: 2014-07-15 03:53 pm (UTC)
deathbyshinies: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deathbyshinies
> I sort of see it as her job to make sure someone else does it, or to let Alex know who ought to be fixing it. She's in a position of authority in the lab in question, so she needs to know if her lab minions are having problems.

Yup, I think I would second this. [personal profile] sidheag is right to point out that it's not quite equivalent to an employee-supervisor relationship in a standard workplace, but I would still expect an academic advisor to be able to direct the student re: how and where to escalate the issue.

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Date: 2014-07-15 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] sidheag
Direct as to how to escalate, yes; do the escalation, no. I think it's entirely reasonable for Alex to let her know what's going on and ask advice on what steps to take to fix it, and it might be that she will take on doing some or all of those steps herself, but I don't think anyone should blame her if she gave advice only. A manager typically has management as a significant part of their job and is expected to spend significant time on it. A PhD supervisor does not and is not.

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Date: 2014-07-15 03:39 pm (UTC)
silveradept: A kodama with a trombone. The trombone is playing music, even though it is held in a rest position (Default)
From: [personal profile] silveradept
This is definitely time for serial escalation. Supervisor, then union rep, then ombusdman, then safety government organization. It will hopefully not get that far.

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Date: 2014-07-15 05:31 pm (UTC)
untonuggan: sunflower in a field (sunflower)
From: [personal profile] untonuggan
Yes. And just as another voice to fight the weasels: you are totally legit to ask for this (because it is YOUR health the smokers are illegally impacting and they're being dickwads about it); you are legit to have fears/anxieties about backlash, because our society urgh; anybody's emotional response(s) to this because they are themselves a smoker is Not Your Problem.

Also, I'm sorry you have to deal with all this bullshit.

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Date: 2014-07-15 05:58 pm (UTC)
batdina: (Default)
From: [personal profile] batdina
okay. totally aside from getting this *fixed*, my suggestion is more practical: use a respiratory mask to get in and out of the building. They're available here: http://respro.com/. they are in the UK. the mask makes me look a bit like Darth Vader, but the sucker works like a charm.

it doesn't solve the larger issue, but it will give you the wherewithal to continue fighting.

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Date: 2014-07-15 06:09 pm (UTC)
azurelunatic: Vivid pink Alaskan wild rose. (Default)
From: [personal profile] azurelunatic
And Fishmum suggests possibly an airhorn. Which may or may not be a serious suggestion, and may or may not improve the situation.

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Date: 2014-07-16 12:55 pm (UTC)
beckyc: Me, wearing a gas mask (Default)
From: [personal profile] beckyc
I don't know what the answer to your actual question.

BUT with regards to not getting poisoned: have you tried a variety of HEPA masks? Personally I don't really get along with wearing most full masks when doing anything terribly aerobic because hives. But might be an option for short periods?

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